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CARTOONS AND HOLOCAUST
to :
burak bekdil <bbekdil@superonline.com>,
hrwatcheu@skynet.be, bilgi@basbakanlik.gov.tr,
olli.rehn@cec.eu.int, jlagendijk@europarl.eu.int,
fuca@europarl.eu.int, mep@andrewduffmep.org, intpen@gn.apc.org,
gvanorden@europarl.eu.int, newslett@amnesty.org,
CEurlings@europarl.eu.int, feedback04@anatolia.com,
fondation@info-turk.be, beglitis@politicalforum.gr,
pbeglitis@europarl.eu.int
"@europarl.eu.int"
is not working !
Only Mr. Bekdil has sent us a reaction (see under) !
We have sent a new request to all those people and especially - next to the human rights oganisations -, the European FUHRER Olli Rehn and his gang (Lagendijk, Fuca, Duff, Vanorden, Eurlings and Beglitis) who made hard pressure onto the Turkish State to stop the semitic trial of the free Mr. Pamuk (affirming the genocide of Armenian people !) on order of the Turkish Minister of Justice - which means no separation of powers ! - and on threat (!) of no-membership to the EU, so we demand that they also make the same necessary pressure onto a number of European member-States, especially the aggressive Germany and Austria, to let free without any delay the since months and even years tortured and kept in isolation without humanitary conditions or even medical assistance and without judgment incarcered European citizens denying the Holocaust, moreover to stop immediately these semitic Pamuk-like trials, and finally to make the same pressure to all other EU-members to cancel all Holocaust-laws where they exist which isn't in all EU member-countries so that here also we can state that some citizens in the EU have more rights than others which is a discrimination on ground of nationality which applies also to the European (ever lasting !) Patriot Act, the EAW, so that this EAW must be canceled by the Court of Justice !
Or, when this request is not fullfilled, that threy will take the necedsary steps to expulse these memeber-States out of the European Union on ground of denying the fundamental rights of man and of committing torture and other crimes against humanity.
If Mr. Olli Rehn and these other responsable persons are not willing to act and prefer to keep this state-terrorism a big secret in cooperation with the criminal press/media, they all will be prosecuted on grounds of TORTURE and of making discrimination on ground of nationality.
WE ARE SICK OF ALL THIS SEMITIC TERROR : MOSLIM (Cartoons) and JEWISH (Holocaust) !
ZUNDEL/RUDOLF
VERBEKE/IRVING
kremlin-trials
AND
ORHAN
PAMUK - trial
Dear Mr. Bekdil,
Thank you very much for your last reply.
However I was a little disappointed because this was not a very
clear Yes or No reply, although my somewhat
academic question was very sharp and refering to the persecution
by "law" of persons who propagate the affirmation or
denial of a genocide which has happened or did not have happened
in the past.
The point is that at the delegates from the European nomenklatura
who are now present at the trial of Mr. Pamuk, are the same
superstate superterrorists who have at this very moment jailed
several persons called revisionists as the greatest criminals all
times - Mr. Ernst Zundel and Mr. Germar Rudolf (both kidnapped by
the ICE of the USA !) and my brother Siegfried (kidnapped by the
State of The Netherlands with the help of a criminal and much
contested European Arrest Warrant, a US-like Patriot Act !) but
also the Englishman (!) and historian, Mr. David Irving (in
Austria) - in prison for many years - and not months like Turkey
will do with Mr. Pamuk ! - by criminal judges as Mr. Vermolen
(The Netherlands - a professional left activist !), Mr.
Meinerzhagen (Germany - refusing the defense of Zundel !) and
similar prosecutors as Klein (Germany), Seda (Austria), etc.,
because these revisionists dare to deny the so-called Holocaust
after serious research !
All this is very shocking, and I cannot understand why the
Turkish prime minister, Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdogan is not pointing
the dirty nose of these delegates from the European Parlement to
this case of total suppression of free speech, but also the dirty
nose of the EU commissioner Olli Rehn and of Human Right Watch,
Amnesty International (founded to protect free speech !) and so
many other hypocrites, for doing a very much harder persecution -
real torture ! - against free speech and European citizens in
this very similar affair.
These delegates of the unnatural superstate Europe are now
demanding to control Turkey by the European Standards of Free
Speech :
do these superterrorists have no shame at all or are they just
sowjet-like monsters ?
Therefore
here my advice : "Stay
out of this European Gulag !"
Best greetings,
Herbert
http://oneindig.net
PS
I'm myself terrorised all my life by this supercriminal
sowjet-like maffia of demoncreatures above all law and order, not
only in a pure criminal way by a true criminal justice and
police, but also by an administraive total war and last but not
least by a social terror which has been called TORTURE in an
official paper - black on white !
burak bekdil <bbekdil@superonline.com> wrote:
Mr Verbeke,
I apologise for the misunderstanding, now I see your point. A
"yes" or "no" to your question would depend
very much on the person in question. I cannot talk on behalf of
Pamuk, nor am I in touch with him so that I could forward your
question, but, at least in theory, I wish to imagine he would not
allow the prosecution of an ooposing idea. For example, I
personally know Sanar Yurdatapan, a human rights activist, who
would stand against any prosecution against the _expression of
any idea, whether he approves it or not. I think a straight yes
or no could be misleading. There are those who advocate free
speech as long as the speech is in line with their ideologies,
and those (few) who support it no matter what it contains.
Best regards,
Burak Bekdil
----- Original Message -----
From: herbert verbeke
To: burak bekdil
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: ohran pamuk
Mr. Bekdill,
Sorry, but I think you do have misunderstood my question !
I wasn't talking about the Armenian genocide : my question was
somewhat academic.
I just wanted to know - with a simple YES or NO - if Mr. Pamuk or
you or anyone else dissident person, will allow in a Turkish
State, where - imagine someday - the Armenian genocide has been
declared a historical fact, the persecution of someone for
reasons of publishing his opinion that there was NO Armenian
genocide.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Herbert Verbeke
PS : Do you have Mr. Pamuk's email address or will you send him
my question ?
burak bekdil <bbekdil@superonline.com> wrote:
Mr Verbeke,
If I have not misunderstood you, this is the situation:
Several authors in Turkey have freely argued that the forced
exodus of Ottoman Armenias in 1915-1918 was a tragic decision
that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Armenians.
Likewise, many people in Turkey have argued that this unfortunate
incident was genocide, and they have not been prosecuted. Pamuk's
case is different. He directly argued that "The Turks
murdered 1 million Armenians and 30,000 Kurds in these
lands." This is different than saying that the Ottomans made
a terrible move that led to the mass murders or genocide of
Armenians. Alternatively, in Turkey it is not an offense to argue
there was NO genocide.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Burak Bekdil
----- Original Message -----
From: herbert verbeke
To: bbekdil@superonline.com
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:18 PM
Subject: ohran pamuk
Hi,
Because I have no email address of Mr. Orhan Pamul I hope you
will ask him the following (or send him this email !) :
Will Mr. Pamul or anyone who - like you I suppose - is persecuted
by authorities for an opinion, will he or anyone else accept that
someone will be persecuted likewise for his opinion that there
was NO genocide or mass murder of the Armenian people when
officially this genocide or mass murder is declared an historical
fact ?
A YES or NO is all I like to know.
Greetings,
Herbert Verbeke
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